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[edit] Articles for Deletion

I am the Deputy Director of Sustainability and Stakeholder Engagement at Asia Pulp & Paper (APP). I am new to the Wikipedia editing process and I recognize that there exists an inherent COI with me making any edits to the page about the company I work for. If I have made any procedural errors I apologize in advance and ask that someone direct to the proper venue for this complaint. In an effort to approach this in an honest and upfront manner, I have not made any edits to the page. I recently came across the Wikipedia entry on APP and I believe it meets the Wikipedia description of an “Attack page.” I recommend that the article be reduced to a neutral “stub” immediately and a more appropriate, neutral and encyclopedic article be created over time and added. I would like to submit some suggested material for consideration in the article to the WikiProject Business and allow for it to be reviewed and edited by neutral editors with no COI. I believe that a simple reading of the article will show that it is clearly meant to disparage the company it is about. I recognize that there is a high level of controversy regarding APP and certain issues, including the environment and financial issues. I respect the rights of any and all to express their opinions on these subjects freely, but as I understand it, Wikipedia is to be a source of neutral and encyclopedic information and not a soapbox for the views of individuals or organizations. An article on APP should certainly include mention of the controversy and the issues, but in a more balanced and accurate way. Additionally, a more encyclopedic article might include more information on the history of the company and the area in which it operates. I would also, like to make clear my specific concerns with the article, the following are quotes from the article and my specific concern with them and a suggested neutral change:

• “their record of consistent breaches of environmental laws and agreements has lead many companies to terminate contracts with them[2].” – Even in the article quoted “consistent breaches of environmental laws and agreements” is not mentioned. The article says, “large paper sellers in the U.S., Europe and Asia, including Office Depot Inc., stopped buying from APP in recent years because of alleged environmental misdeeds.” The entry should use the wording from the quote which would be an acceptably neutral phrasing, “alleged environmental misdeeds.” In fact, APP does not have a record of consistent breaches of environmental laws and agreements.
• “has been convicted of being involved in Illegal Logging in Cambodia, Yunnan province in China, and in Indonesia, and has breached agreements with three major environmental organizations.” – First, there is no citation for this sentence and claim (though similar claims later in the entry quote sources). Second, APP has never been convicted of Illegal Logging anywhere. There have been allegations and even investigations into Illegal Logging, but never has the company been convicted of Illegal Logging. I believe that stating that APP has been convicted of such a crime could be considered libel. Finally, none of the articles quoted in the entry claim that APP has ever been convicted of Illegal Logging, they discuss investigations or allegations of Illegal Logging, but none say that these allegations or investigations have resulted in any kind of conviction. An appropriate phrasing would be to say that “APP has been investigated for Illegal Logging,” or “there have been allegations of Illegal Logging by APP.”
• “The company is also well known for defaulting on debt repayments in 2001, leading to a collapse in confidence of South Asian assets.” – The company is well known for defaulting on debt repayments in 2001. However, it is difficult to make the claim that this lead “to a collapse in confidence of South Asian assets.” Again, the source quoted to back this claim does not say or imply this. I would recommend removing or at the least attributing the claim that the default lead to such a collapse in confidence.
• In a broader context the “Environmental Issues and Illegal Logging” section presents the views and opinions of environmental NGOs and groups with a long record and history of attacking APP without contextualizing it, or presenting other views on the subject. The entry seems to present these views as fact and uses Wikipedia as an outlet to promote these opinions. A more balanced article would note the controversy and contextualize it appropriately, possibly presenting the APP view on the subject.


I have other more specific complaints with language and tone, but prefer to limit this initial post on the topic to the major issues. I believe a neutral party would agree that this article meets the “Attack page” requirements as described by Wikipedia and should be reduced to a neutral stub while an appropriate, encyclopedic article is developed. I am posting this on the entry’s “Discussion” page and the WikiProject Business “Talk” page. I have also alerted the editor who added this information to the entry to alert him/her of my concerns. If more experienced Wikipedia editors and users believe there is another, more appropriate venue or method for this discussion or I have in any way breached standard procedure please let me know. As mentioned earlier, I am new to this aspect of Wikipedia and would appreciate any guidance. My goal in this is not to use Wikipedia as venue for promotion but simply to ensure that a balanced, neutral and high quality encyclopedia article is created for APP.
Dewi bramono (talk) 10:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)



[edit] Henri Fayol and the Administrative theory

Hi, I have given a boost to this page. :-) But my fluency in English having some weaknesses, would any better English-reader mind to drop an eye at it please?

There is something interesting about this page: The initial theory was written in French and quite "cheaply" translated into English in 1930 by John A. Coubrough. The 2nd translation in 1961 by Constance Storrs was much better.[1] But some French words translate hardly into English (état-major, prévoyance, dévouement, ...) some are ambiguous (commandement, contrôle, agent, entreprise) and, to add some fun, Fayol was happy to use metaphors (corps social, organs, ...) which is, trust me, not uncommon for self-made bosses of that time.
And possibly the worse is that nobody thought that French people may have a different culture than American people, possibly influencing their standards of management.
Therefore shall Wikipedia stick to the interpretations made by the Americans? Or to present the original Thoughts of Fayol like "any" French-reader[2] would understand them.

  1. ^ FYI: I own the 1st and read attentively the others + asked native English-readers for details + read Lyndall Urwick + have discussed management with several French bosses contemporary of Henri Fayol (and now dead for most of them, sob) + spent the last two years researching on this transposition problem with help of NZ Victoria University.
  2. ^ It is even more clear to understand when you are graduate of a French Grande École!

-- Silwilhith (talk) 19:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] His Master's Voice trademark: Within the scope?

Hello, I am the guy that proposed the requested move of HMV --> His Master's Voice. Well, some guy who probably thought that the His Master's Voice trademark (you know, the dog listening to a phonograph) should be mostly associated with HMV Group, the music retailer that's one of the companies that use the trademark, added WikiProject Companies and WikiProject Business tags to the talk page of the article. I removed the Companies one, as the article is about the painting not the HMV Group music retail chain, I almost removed the Business tag, but I didn't and decided to bring it up here as I do not know if trademarks are within the scope of this WikiProject. Articles should ot be tagged for a WikiProject if the article isn't within the scope of that WikiProject, right?

--[|Retro00064 | (talk/contribs) |] 05:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, with no answer from anyone, I'm removing the tag from the article's talk page. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 23:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article alerts

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Thanks. — Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:52, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What is Debenture and secured creditor?

Difference between debenture holder and secured creditor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.15.32 (talk) 13:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

A debenture is a term for a loan that is usually issued by a company (e.g. a Corporate bond). A debenture can be secured against collateral such as property, or unsecured. A secured creditor can be a debenture holder, but could also include holders of some other form of debt, such as a bank loan or other credit facility. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 22:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Needing Re-Assessment

Hello there. I made some gigantic changes to the Chuck E. Cheese article, and I'm looking for someone to reassess it. I tried submitting it to the Food & Drink Project, but it seems they're either ignoring me or they're inactive/dead. I've been trying to get one for a while.

Thanks!  Dylanlip  (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cross-selling versus Up-selling.

I would like to discuss the content of two Wikipedia articles: "Cross-selling" and "Up-selling":

In my experience, up-selling is when a company tries to sell a more expensive product to the client. For example, the client wants a drink, and the restaurant employee tries to sell a hamburger. The hamburger is more expensive than the drink.

Now, cross-selling is when a company tries to sell a product that is as expensive or less expensive than the product the client is actually buying. For example, the client wants a drink, and the restaurant employee tries to sell a fried potatoes supply. The fried potatoes supply is less expensive than the drink.

Finally, companies combine cross-selling and up-selling in the following manner: First they try to up-sell, offering a more expensive product to the client. If the client refuses this offer then the company tries to cross-sell, offering a product with a similar price or a smaller price. This combined technique allows companies to greatly increase their sales.

This approach of cross-selling and up-selling is not included in the Wikipedia articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up-selling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-selling

It should be included!

Best regards,

Luis R. Villegas H. Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuisVillegas (talk • contribs) 04:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ePayments Testing and Simulation

There is an entire industry of companies that support banking institutions by providing testing and simulation products and services. While Wikipedia presently has topics on Banking technology, Electronic commerce, and Payment system, there is no mention of how these institutions provide reliable systems. The creation of software that tests and simulates financial transactions is a whole area that we could start creating pages for. I (Bill.albing) would like to help.

Companies in this industry include Paragon Application Systems, Level Four, Lexcel, ACI Worldwide, Callis, Galitt, CFG, ICC, Iliad, Integri, and others. Bill.albing (talk) 18:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph-Armand Bombardier

Joseph-Armand Bombardier was requested to be speedily deleted, then proposed for deletion. I have removed the PROD request. 76.66.193.69 (talk) 04:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Third Culture Parents

I could not agree more regarding TCKs as I raised four of them overseas; two of them were born overseas and two were under the age of two when they moved out of the US. And, yes, they definitely had problems adjusting to life in their passport country. Today one of them teaches overseas in an American International School, one lives in Hawaii, another works out of the country and one is with the State Dept. Yes, TCKs have home counry cultural problems, but so do the parents! I found, and still do, that I have not much in common with a good many people I encountered when we moved back to the States after over 33 years out. Needless to say, I am a lot more tolerant, much better read, more up on current affairs and open to new ideas than most of my neighbors. It is hard not to look like a know-it-all and basically, they just don't want to hear about your life out of the country. If I can help in any way in any studies being done on this subject, either for ATCKs or TCPs (Third Culture Parents) I should love to help.

I have been back in the US for 23 years and still miss southeast asia.

Nonya besar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonya besar (talk • contribs) 19:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


[edit] IMHO a LOT of overlap on outsourcing and offshoring

We have what I would call a LOT of separate articles on outsourcing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=outsourcing&fulltext=Search ) and offshoring ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=offshoring&ns0=1&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search ).

  • As far as I can tell, most of them aren't templated as part of WikiProject Business. We need to do this.
  • There seems to be a lot of overlap. We really should go through these and merge them as appropriate.

I won't be doing this myself. Thanks. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 14:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I would merge into "Outsourcing" - offshoring is a less common term, and before I read the Wiki article I would have assumed it was related to moving domicile to tax havens such as the Cayman Islands, Bermuda etc - when I used the term "offshore" in business, that is what I mean. 193.133.69.162 (talk) 10:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article template creates duplicate discussion page?

I think there may a problem with the template

WikiProject Business (Rated Project-Class)
Business and economics portal
This page is within the scope of WikiProject Business, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Business on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Project page Project  This page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.

On Talk:Hedge_fund this template shows a link to a not-yet-defined discussion subpage Talk:Hedge_fund/Comments

This may just be a bug. If not it suggests having a discussion pages for project business editors that is separate from the one for all other editors. Is this a good idea? Servalo (talk) 10:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

It's supposed to work that way, see: Category:WikiProject Business articles with comments. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Poor management succeeding!

Good management, as taught to me 30 years ago requuired that equal concern for people and mission was critical to long term success. I have been involved in a 5 year experiment where there is no concern for the people and total concern for the mission. The result has been significant improvement in the organization's performance. Is 5 years too short a time period to expect a drop off, as the theory suggests, or is the theory just wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.80.147.214 (talk) 00:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category Industrialist

I am thinking of reviving Category:American industrialists. The reason is because currently there is only one business category called Category:American businesspeople and I think that is just too broad. There are thousands of entries in this cat already, surely a few subcategories would be helpful here? Gatoclass (talk) 22:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Headquarters" correction.

Dear all,

I would like to suggest the following correction to the "Headquarters" article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters

It begins saying: "Headquarters (HQ) denotes the location where most, if not all, of the important functions of an organization are coordinated." However, in every organization (especially business-oriented organizations) all functions are important! I have been in business for about 10 years and had never met unimportant business functions. Some functions benefit more some stakeholders than others, but all remain important and essential for business success. So, saying that the headquarters is where "most, if not all, of the important functions of an organization are coordinated" is a fallacy. Instead of using the words “important functions” I would use “management functions” or “administrative functions”.

Best regards,

Luis R. Villegas H. Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.245.41.253 (talk) 03:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] BoardEx

Please add in the DYK portion for the article BoardEx. --Maverx (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Did You Know A fact from WikiProject Business appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 17 May 2009. The text of the entry was as follows: ... that the subscription service BoardEx provides information on the world's business directors and senior managers, including their salaries, bonuses, and incentive pay?
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[edit] GA Sweeps invitation

This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

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[edit] Journals

Over at the Academic Journals project, I have created two lists of 43 high importance journals. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Academic_Journals#Two_business_journal_lists

We do not have articles about some of these journals, and the ones we do have need a lot of work. If there are any other notable lists of business journals, we would love to hear about those as well. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

My name is Eraldo and I live in Brazil.Actually I don´t have a topic for discussion but a doubt. In 1995 I aquired a computer with an edition of The Grolier Multimedia Enciclopedia from Mindscape Inc.Since I changed my computer I can´t use this softwear because it shows mistakes on the program that I don´t know how to fix. I need a contact in Brazil of Mindscape Inc. or from The Grolier Eletronic Publishing, Inc. to solve this problem but in my country I don´t find because there´s no register of companies with this names in the phone lists services books.I tried internet but nothing I found too. I´d like to know if Wikiproject Business can provide me a telephone number here in Brazil for I solve this problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.2.183 (talk) 22:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] think3

[edit] Usage

{{WikiProject Companies|nested=|small=|class=|importance=}}

[edit] History

Started in 1979, the company’s original name was Cad.Lab, think3 is one of the global player in CAD and PLM market. Building on successful 30-year European history, think3 meets the needs of small to mid-sized companies.

Thanks to a technology solution combining solids and surface, good presence in Europe and Japan, industry proven PLM solution and global experienced R&D team (Italy, France and India), think3 represents the new global generation of design technology, speaking languages of designers, engineers and manufacturers. Through consulting services, software tools and customer care, think3 helps manufacturers optimizing their entire product development processes and helps industrial designers creating better, more innovative products.

think3 provides technology that links three separate design areas: the concept, its development and the finished product. In this way, think3 enables thousands of company customers to innovate, to compete and to rise to the challenges of global markets, by the integration of processes, which helps to accelerate time to market and to reduce costs. Besides the USA and Italy, think3 offices are located around the globe in France, Germany, Japan, China and India. Additionally, the company has established strategic relationships with Value-Added Resellers (VARs) to complement its direct force.

[edit] Products & Solutions

[edit] ThinkDesign Engineering

ThinkDesign Engineering addresses the needs of mechanical manufacturing companies by offering productive and reliable tools. From traditional 2D design controls, to innovative and integrated 3D design functionalities in a single environment, ThinkDesign Engineering provides a comprehensive CAD solution that allows companies to define their products in an efficient and flexible way. Part modeling, 2D/3D transparency, integrated functionalities for the sheet metal environment, tubing creation and management, advanced assembly management, smart objects, animation, data exchange interfaces with other CAD systems, high availability of mechanical parts libraries, direct FEM/FEA interface, product data management, all in one easy-to-use product.

[edit] ThinkDesign Styling

ThinkDesign Styling with its Target Driven Design, it frees users form the technological constraints of traditional design systems. With ThinkDesign Styling, designers first set targets, either points, curves or even the exact highlight they want to get on an object, then focus on the product shape, anyway they want, and transform the project into a model that includes all technical and engineering aspects while preserving the original design intent. It is possible to create a preview of every shape deriving from a modification made with GSM3 (Global Shape Modeling) and select the required one only. It enables higher creativity levels while increasing and enhancing design processes. In addition to traditional creation and modification functionalities, ThinkDesign Styling’s rich capabilities include powerful tools such as Global Shape Modeling, Capping, Blending Curves and Blending Shapes, Associative Global Sweep, as well as Dynamic Morphing, Automotive Grid and Rendering.


[edit] References

[edit] External links


[edit] See also

fr:think3 it:think3



[edit] Shalom Weiss

This is an article on one of the few white collar criminals to get a sentence longer than Madoff, and it is an unspeakable mess. Please help.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

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